On this episode of The Bandwich Tapes, I sit down with multi-instrumentalist, composer, arranger, producer, and engineer Giulio Carmassi for a conversation about instinct, perseverance, and the unexpected turns that shape a life in music.
Giulio takes me back to his childhood in Pisa, Italy, where he began on drums before discovering jazz harmony at the piano. By his teens, he was improvising on multiple instruments and learning alongside musicians several times his age. He shares how moving to the United States at 22 opened doors that had seemed firmly closed and how his ability to play nearly anything eventually became his greatest strength.
We dig into Giulio's work with Will Lee, Steve Gadd, Chuck Loeb, and Emmy Rossum, as well as the remarkable path that led him into the Pat Metheny Unity Group. Giulio tells the story behind his "First Circle" video, the grueling month he spent learning its guitar part, and the surreal experience of recording KIN (←→) with Pat Metheny, Antonio Sánchez, Chris Potter, and Ben Williams.
Giulio also speaks candidly about the pressure of performing at that level, the discipline of leaving space, and what it means to listen with complete attention. We close by exploring his transition into composing and commercial music, his collaboration with Brian Scary, and why the human movement of a great rhythm section can never be reduced to a grid.
Key Takeaways
- Becoming a father gave Giulio a sharper understanding of time, priorities, and the importance of saying no to work that does not matter.
- His multi-instrumental approach was once treated as a professional liability, but it ultimately created opportunities that specialization could not have provided.
- Giulio's move from Pisa to the United States showed him the power of an environment that rewards curiosity, hard work, and initiative.
- His opportunity with Pat Metheny grew out of years of preparation, a personal recommendation, and an extraordinary month spent learning "First Circle," one measure at a time.
- Playing with musicians such as Steve Gadd and Will Lee taught Giulio that trust, generosity, and personal connection are inseparable from great musical performances.
- His time in the Pat Metheny Unity Group honed his ability to concentrate, adapt, and perform under pressure.
- Giulio believes the feel of master musicians comes from confident, human interaction, not from mechanically conforming every note to a grid.
Music from the Episode
- Chasing Mornings - Giulio Carmassi
- Traccia Sconosciuta - Giulio Carmassi
- Ten Thousand Birds - Giulio Carmassi
- Path Through the Jungle - Giulio Carmassi
- Can't Stop It - Giulio Carmassi
About the Podcast
The Bandwich Tapes is a podcast about music, the people who make it, and the experiences that shape a creative life. Host Brad Williams sits down with musicians, songwriters, producers, and other artists for thoughtful conversations about craft, collaboration, careers, and the moments that happen both on and off the bandstand.
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